James Smith
Male, Person Number8, b. 15 January 1885, d. circa 1961
| Relationship | Grandfather of John Michael Pinckney |
| Father | George Smith b. 28 Aug 1848, d. 1888 | |
| Mother | Ann Jane Hale b. 15 Sep 1854, d. 1936 |
Birth, Marriages and Death | ||
| Birth* | 15 Jan 1885 | James Smith was born on 15 Jan 1885 at 8 Dane Place, Bow, England, ; the1939 Register states his birth as 15th January 1889 but this is inconsitent with other evidence .GRO Index 1885 1st Quarter, Poplar, Vol 01C, Page 616, mother's name HAIL.1  |
| He was the son of George Smith and Ann Jane Hale. | ||
| Baptism | 8 Feb 1885 | James Smith was baptized on 8 Feb 1885 at St James The Great, Bethnal Green, England, ; parents George and Ann Jane. |
| Marriage* | 24 Jul 1906 | He married Rosina Hatch, daughter of Robert William Hatch and Mary Ann Burgess, on 24 Jul 1906 at The Parish Church, Haggerston, England, ; jul-aug-sep 1c 153 Both their ages were given as 21 on their Marriage Certificate.2 |
| Death* | circa 1961 | James Smith died circa 1961. |
Censuses | ||
| Census1901* | 31 Mar 1901 | James Smith appeared in the 1901 census at 29 Gales Gardens, Bethnal Green, England, . |
| Census1911* | 2 Apr 1911 | He was listed as head of household in the 1911 census at 7 Birkbeck Street, Bethnal Green, England, ; RG 14 / 1431.1  |
| Census1939* | 29 Sep 1939 | He appeared in the 1939 census at 42 Temple Street, Bethnal Green, England, ; This incorrectly gives his birth year as 1889 not 1885. |
Other Information | ||
| Note* | James Smith was difficult to trace, as you can imagine. With the help of someone in another branch of the family I believe the following details to be correct. We started with only two concrete pieces of data which I think are both flawed. Firstly, in the 1939 Register it states his birthday as the 15th of January 1889. I think the birthday is correct but the year is wrong. It should be 1885. If this were being dictated it is easily possible to mis-hear nine instead of five. When he married Rosina Hatch in 1906 he gave his age as 21 which would mean he was born in 1885. Secondly, in the marriage registry he gives his father's name as John who was a Clay Pipe Maker. I believe his father was George who was a Clay Pipe Maker. So what makes me think that those things are wrong and we have located the correct family for James? 1) His father was a Clay Pipe Maker and so was George (or sometimes recorded as a Tobacco Pipe Maker, the same thing) 2) Assuming his parents were George and Ann Jane, and in conjunction with where the census states he was born and in what year meant that I found his birth certificate which gave the date of birth as 15th January 1885 which exactly matches our expectation 3) His first daughter was called Rose after his wife Rosina who was sometimes also called Rose. This was quite a common practice. 4) He had a sister called Lena and his second daughter was also called Lena 5) He had a sister called Mary and his third daughter was also called Mary 6) He had a brother called John Richard and he had a son called James John 7) He gave his father's name as John and he had a brother, Uncle and Grandfather all called John 8) Although not proof, his father George died when he was only 3 so he certainly would nit have known him very well and after his father's death may have seen his Uncle or Grandfather as a father figure 9) If he were born in 1889 then he would have only been 17 when he married Rosina in 1906 when she was 21. Not impossible but doesn't sound likely and does not match the age given. I think these are overwhelming coincidences for us not to have found the right family. I sometimes see coincidences and rule them out but for me there are just too many. Unless someone can prove me wrong. | |
| Address | 8 Feb 1885 | As of 8 Feb 1885, James Smith lived at 8 Dane Place, Bethnal Green, England. |
| Occupation | 24 Jul 1906 | He was Cabinet Maker on 24 Jul 1906. |
| Address* | 24 Jul 1906 | As of 24 Jul 1906, James Smith lived at 43 Boston Street, England. |
| Occupation | 2 Apr 1911 | He was Carman on 2 Apr 1911. |
| Occupation | 29 Sep 1939 | He was a Horse Transport Driver on 29 Sep 1939. |
| Occupation* | 1941 | He was Carman, Haulage Contractors in 1941. |
Children of James Smith and Rosina Hatch |
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| Children | 1. | Rose Alice Smith+ b. 2 Nov 1906, d. 20 Mar 1991 |
| 2. | Mary Smith+ b. 1909, d. c 1990 | |
| 3. | Lena Smith+ b. 10 Sep 1912, d. 18 Aug 1995 | |
| 4. | Doris Lillian Smith+ b. 3 May 1916, d. 2008 | |
| 5. | James John Smith b. 3 May 1916, d. 3 May 1916 | |
| 6. | Lilian Smith+ b. 4 Apr 1921, d. 16 Mar 2002 | |
| Last Edited | 1 Aug 2023 |